Category talk:Blue Magic
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Helpful Tips
For new Blue Mages just starting out. Best place to start leveling and learning spells is East Sarutabaruta. Most of your level 1-8 spells can be learned in that area alone. Other spells that you skipped can be picked up in the nearby areas. i.e. Sandspin in Giddeus. Wysperfauna 11:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Phrasing Edit
I reworded the line about Hand-to-Hand subjobs, because while I can see people subbing PUP to learn spells, it made no mention of Ninja, Dancer, Thief, or Warrior, which all seem to be far more likely subs than PUP or MNK. I also removed the line about how an Orcish Warmachine used Firebomb after Blastbomb and the spell was still learned - we don't need personal testimony on the main page, that's why we have a talk page. Mikauk 21:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Blue Magic Above Level
Could there possibly be a qualifier on "too far above your level?" I just learned Head Butt, a level 12 Blue Magic, from a Quadav at level 6. Now, I most certainly couldn't set it, but I learned it. Just wondering if anyone knew what was meant by "too far" above, or if this information is outright flawed.
Blastbomb
Blastbomb's stats are incorrect. It gives STR+1, not VIT+1 HP-5 MP+5. That looks like Queasyshroom's stats.
From what I've seen, many of the listed ability modifiers are incorrect, so I'm waiting until someone has the ability, and posts the stats they found. --Chrisjander 05:11, 24 April 2006 (PDT)
Learning Blue Magic
FYI i have 100% chance of learning spells if i kill mob with a blue mage spell. Following spells learned when killed the mob with a blu spell. FYI i have never as of yet not learned a spell if the spell was used on me and i killed it with a blu spell. I have learned spells that were not used on me but have had two mobs i think were killed with a blu spell that did not learn spell but spell was used on a DC party member.
Jettatura -- After 10 hours of not learning spell finly was the first ability the the mob used and spamed bludgen and head but till death.
Frightful Roar -- after two dc's of the tank i finly get spell if the tank was still in party and i killed it with a blu spell.
Ice Break --- First mob killed but had to kill 20 more for the other blu the other blu never got spell and used healing spells instead of —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exzir (talk • contribs).
.............attacking it. Tried to get him to cast a spell to kill but never was able to get it done.
Refueling -- after mob used spell everyone spamed attack i kiled with blu spell and learned it.
Terror touch-- Got spell after 13 ghosts curse sucked soloed them...
I have been paying careful attention to how my BLU spells are learned and I have noticed that I have a MUCH greater chance of learning a spell if the mob uses the ability and I kill it using a BLU spell. Out of 20 spells (that i was paying attention to)learned 18 were learned after killing with Physical Blue magic. Not 100% as the above poster claims but while messing around I noticed my chances of learning with a WS or a regular attack were far below that of using a BLU spell. Has anyone else noticed this? Ive used all different levels and party situations to test this out. Of course it is still totally possible to learn spells killing in any manner, but I believe there is a connection here. --matt 20:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Gerrrelle 57BLU
You can learn Blue Magic 6 levels in advance. Nifty food for thought!
Well you must be very lucky because I've killed about 10 crabs with a blu spell after they used Metallic Body and I haven't gotten it yet. My blue magic skill is 21 so I KNOW I can learn it. According to you, I should have learned it a long time ago. The above info is completely and utterly FALSE. Killing an enemy with a blue magic spell does not affect the learning rate in any way, shape, or form. I would guess the person who posted that knew this and that's why they didn't sign their post. --Snowpaw 19:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
You can actually learn magic that is upto 8 levels higher than your current level e.g. you can learn Blood Drain (level 20 spell) at level 12. I have yet to learn a spell that is higher than 8 levels above me so I can't say 8 is a definate level gap between you and the spell. --Perim 18:01, 25 April 2006 (PDT)
Actually, I've seen up to 10 levels in advance personally, but people are reporting up to 12 ~ not confirmed however.
The 'Aquired From' in each Blue Magic seems a little redundant, as you can, given you are high enough, you can learn any spell from any normal monster that uses it, as long as its not BCNM/instanced, and has not been Call for Help. There is no maximum level to learn anything, so a BLU75 could learn (as sad as it would be) Foot Kick from a level 1 rabbit. Hiachi 18:07, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
Has anyone confirmed this by actually learning a "spell" in this fashion? From a mob they wouldn't have gained XP from? I think it sounds like it could be correct (a friend actually presented this very idea to me just yesterday), but I'm curious if anyone has actually seen it. --Rixie--
I'm almost positive SE specifically said the mob had to give the BLU xp for you to be able to learn abilities from it. --Chrisjander 19:56, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
"You will not acquire blue magic if you are KO'd when a monster is defeated, or the defeated monster does not yield experience points." Some people are now thikning that SE is saying you can learn blue magic from a mob that can give xp to someone - as opposed to BCNM mobs, or dynamis mobs, that dont give xp no matter what level you are. If you know what I mean... --Rixie--
Right, it doesnt mean it has to give you exp as in your level comparison, it just means that it has to be a monster that can yield exp. - Hiachi 22:39, 27 April 2006 (PDT)
The wording seems pretty clear to me. If it doesn't give you xp, you don't get abilities. But I'm not going to argue over conjecture. I'll believe it when I see/hear about it. --Chrisjander 03:58, 28 April 2006 (PDT)
It has been confirmed that you can learn spells from too weak mobs. What SE means is that it has to be an "xp-able" mob. Mobs that have been called for help on, or mobs that are found in BCNMs, etc cannot be learned from because they don't give xp no matter what your level is. Think about this... if you couldn't learn from too weak mobs, then there would be a chance that you could actually miss spells and never ever learn them. This would be the only job in the game with a dilemma such as that.
- You will not acquire blue magic if you are KO'd when a monster is defeated, or the defeated monster does not yield experience points.
Their statement doesn't actually say you need to earn xp from that mob. It says nothing about how strong the monster has to be in comparison to your level. I have seen low level BLUs in parties with high levels learning spells - no xp gain that way either but still possible to learn the spell. --Ganiman 04:29, 28 April 2006 (PDT)
That's even more reason to remove the 'Acquired From' lists of each spell, its pointless, as any exp-able monster with that ability can give the spell - Hiachi 23:14, 28 April 2006 (PDT)
I disagree. If someone were unfamiliar with the mobs of certain areas, they may not be familiar with where all xp-able mobs are of the type that they can acquire the spell from. For example, its all well and good to say an ability is gained from Golems, but if someone has never been to the Sancuary of Zi'tah, they wouldn't know that's one of the places they could find them. Someone new to the game, who got some job to 30 just so he could play Blue Mage, would probably be only familiar with 7 or 8 areas of the game (since we all know the 'you have to go here at XXX level' mentality). All this provides is a good list of all the possible places they can obtain the spell. Some people might want to be able to farm while acquiring spells, since it takes so long, so knowing all the mobs and areas would give them more selection of where to go. I know for now it might be a little redundant, with most of the Blue Mages being 75s who know where everything is, but in the long run its more useful to have the information there on the page. --Chrisjander 05:52, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
As is usually my position on something like this, I thik the information is useful, and doesn't harm anything. I see no problem with it being on the page (someone like me would definitely find it useful if I were leveling BLU). The only problems I could forsee is that the list could get a bit long on some pages. But I still think it is a good thing to have there. --Rixie 09:03, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
It could get very long, because, for example, the list of Golems that you can obtain a Golem spell from would include every Golem in the game that can yield exp, if you really want to make the list complete - Hiachi 15:27, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
See Foot Kick as an example. There is no doubt that the information is useful. The problem is that a Wiki is not a database and therefore lists like these are harder than they would otherwise be. Wiki, IMO, is great at getting information out fast, being accurate and for guides. That being said, if we can get the mob information in it cannot hurt. If someone is level 30 and needs Foot Kick and wants to gain xp at the same time, this list is the only place on the wiki that has it in one spot. Only other way to get it is to go to the category:rabbits page and click on every mob listed until you see something at the right level. --Gahoo 16:46, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
Honestly, I can't see any real argument for removing the Acquired From lists from the pages. As far as data resources such as the Wiki are concerned, redundancy is a good thing as it allows any desired information to be more easily accessed. Personally, I've used some of the lists myself to plan leveling areas. With the list at the bottom of the page it is relatively simple to choose a few spells and see if one area has more than one to find. --Syeria 23:54, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
My opinon is: 1) scrap the "Acquired From" tables; they can be initially misleading to newbie BLUs because they don't have X mob, and 2) provide a link to the corresponding HuntingGrounds article so people are given better advice as to where/how to get spells. — Azulmagia | T/CSite 03:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Another section??
What do you all think of this section? Should it be added to this page?
Using Blue Magic
- There are certain things to note about Blue Magic Spells that are the same or differ slightly from other types of magic.
- You can be interrupted while casting Blue Magic (unlike Bard Songs)
- Blue Magic Spells that have an elemental component can be used to your advantage if you know a mobs weakness (Just like Elemental Magic)
- Unlike all other types of Magic, Blue Magic Spells are stronger against certain types of mobs, and weaker against others, depending on the Ecosystem the spell came from; For example: Sprout Smack is acquired from Saplings (From the Plantoid ecosystem). Since it is a plantoid ability, it will be stronger against Beast type mobs (see Beast Strength Chart) and weaker against Vermin type mobs.
- Magical type Blue Magic Spells will do more damage against mobs that are weak to Magic (I.E. Elementals, Jellies, etc), and less damage against those strong against Magic.
- Physical type Blue Magic Spells can do more damage against mobs that are weak to a specific type of physical damage (blunt, piercing, slashing), and less damage against Mobs that are strong against physical attacks (Elementals, Jellies, etc.)
--Chrisjander 10:32, 30 April 2006 (PDT)
I think that is good info to have somewhere at least. This page seems as good as any as far as i'm concerned. --Rixie 11:05, 30 April 2006 (PDT)
2 New Sections??
I think I have 2 things that need to be added to this page:
One is "Job Traits" gained by combining spells in your BLU magic set:
FYI: It does not matter where you put the spells in the set..as long as they are in the set somewhere
Lv. 4: Beast Killer (Sprout Smack + Wild Oats)
Lv.16: Auto-Regeneration (Healing Breeze + Sheep Song)
Lv.20: Lizard Killer (Claw Cyclone + Foot Kick)
Lv.24: Clear Mind (Poison Breath + Soporific)
Lv.32: Magic Attack Bonus (Cursed Sphere + Sound Blast)
Lv.34: Undead Killer (Bludgeon + Smite of Rage)
Lv.38: Attack Bonus (Battle Dance + Uppercut)
Lv.38: Rapid Shot (Feather Storm + Jet Stream)
Lv.40: Defense Bonus (Grand Slam + Terror Touch)
Lv.40: Max MP Up (Metallic Body + Mysterious Light)
Lv.42: Clear Mind (Poison Breath + Venom Shell / Soporific + Venom Shell)
Lv.46: Clear Mind (Awful Eye + Poison Breath)
Lv.46: Clear Mind II (Awful Eye + Poison Breath + Soporific + Venom Shell)
Lv.60: Attack Bonus (Death Scissors + Uppercut)
AND
"Job Abilities" learned and at what level they are learned:
- 2-hour ability: Azure Lore (Level 1) Enhances the effect of blue magic spells. - Chain Affinity (Level 40) Makes it possible for your next "physical" blue magic spell to be used in a skillchain. Effect varies with TP. - Burst Affinity (Level 40) Makes it possible for your next "magical" blue magic spell to be used in a Magic Burst.
These Job Abilities come straight from Playonline.
--IgotGAME 10:30, 01 May 2006(EST)
I'd disagree to adding those sections. This page is for a description of Blue Magic, not Blue Mage. All the information you suggest is already mentioned on the page for Blue Mage. --Chrisjander 07:33, 1 May 2006 (PDT)
I just learned Sheep Song (L16) at Level 7, so the limit is at least +9. --Valyana 14:10, 4 May 2006 (PDT)
Though we probably already know its 10 levels or lower below the cap, it'll be good for everyone to just try to learn the highest spells we can, so that we will find out if it goes beyond 10 - Hiachi 16:07, 4 May 2006 (PDT)
I'm currently 0/13 on learning Blood Drain (L20) at level 10; all but the first two were with capped skill, one of them with Azure Lore on. I'm ready to say that +9 is the maximum gap for learning a spell. --Valyana 10:32, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
I wouldn't be so hastey. It took me more than 13 mobs to get Pollen at level 3. Nine levels higher is just a good guideline for now, and if someone else gets one at 10 levels lower, than we'll update. --Chrisjander 10:35, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
Yea we really can only be certain of the minimum level difference that one can learn at, not the maximum, as it only takes, for example, one person to learn a spell 15 levels above them to prove that is the range, but no number of failures will prove that it spells that high can't be learnt. Its just gonna have to be a slow process. - Hiachi 11:37, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
Hmm, yes, I got up to 9 fails as BLU11 before I finally learned it. Maybe New Moon is a bad time for learning spells? --Valyana 12:24, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
I have learned a spell that is 9 levels above me. When I was 17, I learned Screwdriver off pugs in the dunes. Screwdriver is level 26. Not sure if there are any reports of a wider spread than that. --Ganiman 15:06, 5 May 2006 (PDT)
Damage Types
Has anyone tested whether the damage type of physical Blue Magic depends on the spell or the currently equipped weapon? For instance, is Bludgeon blunt damage even whith a sword equipped?
Physical spells depend on the Damage of the weapon you are holding to a certain degree, yes. I've spend alot of time trying to get my spells, and the best way to gather mob TP has been for me to unequip my sword and wail at the mob with my 0 Hand-to-Hand skill for 1 or 2 damage, just enough for TP. At that point it seems most of the damage from any physical spell I do is based mostly on my STR.
The physical spells do not all do the same type of damage, as per your equipped weapon. Sprout Smack does blunt damage when you're weilding a sword (I've beat the tar out of Bones this way), so I'd imagine its the same for the rest of the physical spells. This has been my experience so far, but I still have a ways to go. --Chrisjander 23:26, 7 May 2006 (PDT)
Spell Effect
Spell effect - The TP information included in "physical" blue magic spells is applicable when using the job ability "Chain Affinity."
Has this been confirmed exactly... I tend to do more damage and am more accurate when my TP is as 300%. I think the TP is required to help the spell even if you are not Chain Affinitying it. Chain Affinity is also affect by TP but mainly used to creat Skillchains.
TP will do nothing for blue magic when chain affinity is inactive, that is confirmed yes. --Skyw4rp 15:00, 3 March 2007 (EST)
Blue Magic element type
On Blue magic that is magical in nature, is it possible for us to put the element association on the chart? --Dru 21:40, 6 March 2007 (EST)
out of party learning
I was curious if anyone has experienced learning spells from outside of the fighting party. For example if someone else is fighting mob, and the BLU casts cure or something like that on someone in a party, will they get a chance on learning a spell if the mob does the ws on either that party or the BLU. Was just curious in case people are killing your mobs you try to learn the spell off of but you just go cure them and learn the spell. This could also be used to power level your BLU magic learning if it were true :) --Wayka 18:21, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
A minimum of 31 skill level difference in order to learn a spell
I doubt this.
Currently, my BLU is at 41. I've been farming spells way way ahead before I can use it.
From all the spell learning. I have never gotten the one that I "can get" within 10 level difference (i.e. 30 skill lvl difference).
Can someone post an evidence to this? Thank you--VZX 20:04, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
People keep changing the max skill level difference, but for the record, I learned Smite of Rage in Qufim, only a few mobs after hitting 25, on accident. It was funny, because I learned it before Grand Slam, despite fighting Gigas all the time and fighting only one Weapon. Malumultimus 08:42, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
Did you take a look at your blue magic skill at that time?
My theory is if you got 1 level skill up in your blue magic at 25, you can learn the spell, it doesn't need to be capped blue magic skill at 25.--VZX 11:32, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
We have 27 listed here as a #, but individual spells (Cannonball, Hysteric Barrage, etc) indicate that you can learn the spell at a 9 level gap (which is 29 points, because of the only 4 point jump at 67) So, which standard are we going with? Either this page should be updated to the 29 the individual spells represent, or update the spell pages to reflect a smaller level range. --Kyt 05:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The skill cap for learning a spell is in fact 29, Tested by me today very thoroughly. --Kyt 17:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
If the skill cap for learning a spell is indeed 29, as seems to be the general accepted theory. Then a lot of the spell pages have the minimum level one level too low, the max learning level difference below level 50 is not 10, but 9. EX: Blitzstrahl is a lvl 44 spell, meaning it's spell level is 135 (45*3), 29 less from this is 106, the skill cap at level 34 (the level listed as the minimum learning level, is 105 (35*3)). For those of us somewhat anal about getting spells asap, this causes a massive deal of confusion. I spent 8 hours trying to learn blitzstrahl with 105 skill, which I learn now is impossible. I propose this be made more clear somehow, both by changing the level minimums on the spell pages, and altering the wording in the main article to make it perfectly clear that below level 50, the maximum learning gap is 9 levels, not 10. --Xionis 20:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Possible mistake?
I was reading through the section on Aquiring Blue Magic and I think I found a mistake that is of considerable importance. It states that Frightful Roar cannnot be learned in the Phomiuna Aquaducts because the difference in skill from 40 to 50 (the level cap of the area and the level of the spell) is 32. I believe that this is incorrect, as the cap at 40 is 123 and the cap at 50 is 153, which is only a difference of 30. Assuming that 30 skill under what the cap for that level is the requirement for learning a spell, this should make Frightful Roar obtainable in te Phomiuna Aquaducts. The information about the skill caps at those levels was taken from the Combat Skills chart.
First of all, I've already make a topic about is it really true we can learn a spell within 30 skill difference?
In my experience, I never got it. Never.
From my experience, I can only learn spell when the skill difference is 27-29. Thus, the reason people can't get it from phomiuna aqueducts is that.--VZX 17:04, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
Regardless, the skill difference stated on the main page still says that the difference is 32 when it should be 30.
In my testing I have learned with a skill difference of 20 or less, but not been able able to learn with a skill difference of 21 or more. Elfi Wolfe 17:43, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
Blue Magic Skill, what does it affect?
I know Blue Magic skill affects Blue "Magical" spells' accuracy, but how does Blue Magic Skill affect "Physical" blue magic spells? Does it at all? Petco 20:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I would assume that it enhances both magical and physical spells' accuracy and attack, much like weapon skill levels enhance your weapon accuracy and your Attack level. I haven't done any testing to verify this though. ----.Eithin//T•C 21:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
The accuracy of the physical attack itself is enhanced mainly by weapon accuracy. However, when a physical spell has a "magical" aspect, such as additional effect: slow, the resist rate seems to be effected somewhat by skill. So while the spell may "hit", the additional effect maybe resisted more often if you have low blue magic skill. This is what I've seen from BLU, and using it as a sub. Though as a completely untested hypothesis, it may also effect physical spell damage caps... maybe. --◄Chrisjander► t/ c 21:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
It says on the main page, out and out, that blue magic skill directly effects physical spell accuracy. Has this been confirmed or tested? I just ran a test of my own--two trials each--on Garnet Quadav, DC +Evasion +Defense, and it would be consistent to say that physical spell accuracy is related to your weapon accuracy (I did sword vs. Staff). However, I yet to extrapolate any data on if Blue Magic Skill plays apart in physical accuracy, so I would say it's a bit premature to say that blue magic skill effects physical spell accuracy without any proof of test. --Dontae 11:51, 13 May 2009 (CDT)
INT?
I noticed the blue magic front page says INT helps your learning rate? Anyone know where this is proved or at least studied at on more than one person? I mean, it makes sense that higher intellegence helps you learn but I've seen no change when I stack up on every +INT item I can find. On top of that, I'm a taru -- we have the highest base INT. I have noticed the harder-to-learn spells for me have been the mobs with high INT, like Snolls, Clusters, Ghosts, etc. But I have seen first hand people learn those spells on the first kill or so as a galka blu with no extra +INT. --Bekisa 09:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Near Death Learning
I've noticed that I tend to learn spells a lot more after pulling links/nearly dying and the like. Surely not guaranteed, but it seems to tilt the odds a little bit. No formal experimenting, just an observation while hunting. --K'lanthype 19:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
DA/TA and Elemental Gorgets?
I've been trying to figure this out recently, and trying to search through forums to see if there's an answer, but so far, to no avail. I was wondering if anyone was able to confirm if it is possible for Double Attack or Triple Attack to proc for physical spells, as well as would the sea elemental gorgets boost them as well. I have had no oppurtunity to test either personally, and if there is no proof one way or another, will most likely do so in the near future and post the results. --Jondra 23:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Set Blue Magic Menu
The Labels for my spell slots in my menu keep changing colors. BLU41 and atm my 8+9 are yellow, 10+11 are Blue, and 12+13+14 are Purple. I'm wonder what it means :X Orenwald 03:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The colors are for level cap reasons, based on the set spell cost that changes depending on any level cap for an area. Going from top to bottom, the colors are for: 20/30/40/50/60/75. So, the yellow spells and above will be available if the level cap changes to 30, but the blue spells and below will not. Note, however, that it also depends if the spell that is in that color is available at that level cap. --Jondra 06:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
