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NEW! User Pictures NEW! Question

Does this mean older uses who already have a picture (like myself and many others) have to go back and edit everything? --Drow 20:36, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Sort of. I am editing anything that is under 30 myself and deleting everything else. So if you have over 30 and you have no copy of it you better go fetch it seeing as I will prolly soon delete it. But if it is under 30 I will rename it myself so it will follow the standards. --Nynaeve 20:41, 2 November 2006 (EST)
I always have a back-up D: Ok will spread the word. --Drow 21:42, 2 November 2006 (EST)

... I HIGHLY disagree with this decision. Almost to the point of absurdity. I'm currently angered to the point where I can't think of anywords to combat this... --Edamus 22:50, 2 November 2006 (EST)

I had to fight for one Picture and it was a lengthy Process, but I agree with this final decision. It really is better than no User Pictures which was the other choice. Use your Blog to display your other Images. This is not a Personal Gallery and you are actually really lucky to be allowed one at all considering. There were many reasons behind this decision and this new Policy and the sizing/naming conventions are practical and good move.
EDIT: And I edited out the tags from any User Pages that had Pictures that weren't kosher with this Policy because I do not want Red Links that may be clicked and reused. Also, I used space on my own drive and took my own time out to keep Images that had the correct sizing by saving them and reuploading them under the correct name pattern. I gave an explanation of it on each User Talk Page in which I had a deletion I had to make. Yes it is your User Page, but this is our Webpage, we are Admins. If you want to further discuss this you can talk here or PM Ganiman who wanted to have no Images or me who fought to keep at least one. But in all honestly I think you are acting Childish. We do not want to lose an Editor over an image but if you chose to act this way, that is your choice. --Nynaeve 23:06, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Perhaps if the vote was able to be heard by the common editors. In all honesty the way I went about this was indeed childish. But I believe my fight for what I believe is right is not childish. I do indeed thank you for you fight for the images. You personal time is appreciated. I just wish there was another way of going about and doing it.

What are these many reasons? Who ruined it for everone else? Was it me? I had 6 or so images. Before hand in the cleansing of the images round 1 I was fine with deleteing some of my original images that had nothing to do with XI since I was using them in my blog as backgrounds and what not. I was told before hand that they would be deleted, and I was fine with that. I just think the time I put into my Userpage was for nought. Although I am allowed that one image, it's not the same. Everyone here has edited a page or two or thousand and knows of the difficulty in editing, getting it just right. I spent a lot of time on that page.

All this makes no difference, the decision has been made. Go with it. Ride it out. I was 10 minutes too late. It's just too bad I wasn't in that fight for them. They'd still be there now if I was...

You wont lose an editor to this. I just want my voice to be heard, but not heard after the fact. Important decisions should be left to the people. Although people are dumb and ignorant, it is still a decision they made and agreed upon by a majority. --Edamus 00:03, 3 November 2006 (EST)

I'd like to know when you thought this site's administration became a democracy. I'd like to know who you think pays the bills around here, or who does all the behind the scenes work to ensure this site keeps running. You're lucky that I even consider the opinions of the users. You missed out on the discussion. We had it. It was open to anyone paying attention. You missed it, you're fault, not ours. Don't cry to us about dictatorships and how "the people" have no say. If you want to be more involved, then I suggest you read every policy on this site, you keep a close watch on all topics that happen in the forums, and you participate in each and every article's discussion page. If you read the image policy, which I kindly linked to at the top of every page in the wiki some time ago, you would have seen that right in the General Rules to Follow section it clearly states "This is not a place for a personal gallery." That has been in the policy since August 2nd. You have had at least since then to debate this topic. It is not my or any other admins responsibility to notify any user of this site when such topics are being debated. You sound like the guy who complains about who was elected for president, but never voted. Guess what? Election day is over, the ballets have been counted, and yours wasn't there. --Ganiman 22:16, 3 November 2006 (EST)
As I stated on the Forum, this was discussed there with the populous. It was just the wording of the purposed changes that was brought to the Moderator Forum. Some of them didnt want User Pictures to be allowed at all and I and many of the "Common User"s as you put it did. I purposed something, a way to keep the bandwith down, to stop users from uploading to many personal files then leaving and or linking back to here, a way that we can moderate User Pictures easily (the "User-" in front of it, as well as a Zero-Tolerance for anything that goes against this while still letting people keep what I think is a bit of individuality and themselves here. I did like your page and there were other pages that I really loved as well. I know the amount of effort it takes to edit and hone things to just a certain way... You have to believe me that I hated doing it - tearing pages that looked great apart... But it has to be done. This isnt a gallery and its about time we enfornced it. This is my project now, and I feel strongly that keeping one picture does mean something and it isnt that painful when you consider the majority of editors with pictures have had only one. We all just have to work around it and appreciate the fact that we can have one picture. I think its important to have that one peice of your character actually being shown here. I am glad we wont lose you over this, for this Policy will stay otherwise it would be back to having none at all and I dont want that. --Nynaeve 13:09, 3 November 2006 (EST)
EDIT: I thought I incorparted this in well enough, but what you said on your talk page made it seem that I didnt. All files have to be linked to the User they are named after, so only one per page. Period. No making extra Users to put their pictures on your original page. That won't work, I'm sorry. ;; --Nynaeve 13:10, 3 November 2006 (EST)


Nynaeve -
1. Please do not edit user pages directly. Place notices on User:talk pages so the User can edit it themselves.
2. Please do not speedy delete images that violate the policy. Mark them for deletion and have them go through the deletion process. Also put a note on the user talk page letting them know their picture is being marked for deletion so that they can resolve the issue themselves, either by reducing their own pic, or choosing which of the multitude pics they wish to keep.


Edamus -
1. Most of these issues have been on the table since late-July. They have only seen more intense discussion recently.
2. This is not a democracy. Every decision is not up for debate. Some issues need to be resolved by the administrators for what is best for the wiki itself, even if it tweaks the beaks of some users.

--Mierin 22:03, 3 November 2006 (EST)


As I said on your User Page Mierin:
I did what I thought was right at the time. I had the choice of deleting all of the images or saving some and reuploading them under the correct Image Names. Since I would have to edit the User Pages to do this, I chose to edit them all out since I had already started reuploading some correctly for people. I was told by two people this is the way they would have gone about it as well. I thought it better to not leave the user page looking discentered with a broken link and I did put an explanation on every single User Talk Page that I did it to. Only one person complained and there were others who seemed to appreciate the gester. I won't do it again but I think as an administrator, you have the right to edit any page on the wiki. I know Gani or Gahoo have edited User Pages before to take out things that went against policy, so by saying you aren't to edit a user page that violates something seems a bit absurd when it has been done before. The user that complained was more upset his Pictures were taken away than the fact that someone edited his User Page and he is just throwing that out in bitterness. But in all seriousness, I won't do it again, I was just trying to help so that their pages wouldn't look like shit and broken links wouldn't happen. Its all done now, if you want to go reverting the changes that don't have the new uploaded pictures with them feel free. I don't care. I did what I said I was going to do and I think it was right.
EDIT: Also, part of the purposal was for a Speedy Deletion on anything not meeting the User Picture Standards. They are not part of the Image-Delete process. This had to get done quickly and the quickest way to do it was this way. If we let them sit there it would have been harder for the entire thing to take effect. I have already gone through all User Pages and deleted everything that didn't meet. We are not supposed to be used as a Personal Gallery and it has been stated before that those that use it as such will meet with a Speedy Deletion because it directly violates it. We can't do for some that we don't do for others. --Nynaeve 22:13, 3 November 2006 (EST)
Comment: The speedy deletion of images failing to comply with the policy on user images is acceptable --Ganiman 22:17, 3 November 2006 (EST)
Lets all move on. A new policy was instituted which was bound to be disruptive. We have a clean slate now and one of the main points of the new policy is that it is easy to police. --Gahoo 22:19, 3 November 2006 (EST)


My problem with the speedy deletion is that the policy has been in effect for less than 2 days. We have not given the users any time to try and comport their actions to the new policy. I think there should have been a grace period of at least a week or so to allow users to comply with the policy themselves. To institute a new policy and then go wholesale deleting without any notice to the users is unfair.

If this happened with laws passed by Congress, the Supreme Court would have field day with slapping down the actions of Congress. It is more appropriate to give a warning that the policy is changing, give people a chance to conform their actions to the new policy, then after a suitable grace period, start implementing the policy in full force.

This was not done. That is why I object to the speedy deletion. You have really punished users who had no time to realize the policy had changed and to allow them to correct their misdeeds. And that is a serious problem. --Mierin 22:27, 3 November 2006 (EST)

I agree with what you are saying about it, but I asked what should be done before when I purposed this and then was told to go ahead and make the necessary changes on "infringers", so I did. I saved as many as I could myself, but alot of them - there was no way those could be brought down to size so they might as well just be deleted now rather than wait and prolong this. I made the decision to do this now and by doing this, I think we are one step closer to having the Policy finally firmly enforced. --Nynaeve 22:35, 3 November 2006 (EST)
Yeah, fine, what is done is done. But that doesn't change the fact that it was wrong. I missed Gahoo's post about going gangbusters. That was a totally inappropriate way to handle things. I expect more wrathful posts from more upset users. You just don't go wholesale deleting things. You are going to piss many people off. You need to give them a chance to conform.
There are many ways to handle things. Yes, you resolved the situation. Yes, the policy is being upheld. But the difference between your method and my method is like the difference between using a machete and a scapel for doing surgery on a person. There were better ways to handle the images. Another week for people to conform wasn't going to hurt anyone. There was no time-is-of-the-essense here. --Mierin 22:42, 3 November 2006 (EST)
That's most likely why I responded so harshly. No grace period. --Edamus 21:14, 3 November 2006 (EST)

If I may suggest, 30KBs is really small. I mean really small. The quality of the picture I was using when put in that data size is pathetic. 20 more KB would actualy help (Photoshop tags every image making it larger than it should be) more than you'd think. Thoughts? --Zero 23:13, 3 November 2006 (EST)

First, please don't put new comments in the middle. They are hard to find.
Second, this was discussed even longer ago than this user policy. For the same reasons only one pic is allowed, the size is limited to 30KB. There is no reason they should be bigger. User page is not meant to be a personal image gallery, a data-whore on the wiki server, if you will.
If you want bigger pictures, put them in your blog, which you incidentally haven't updated in a while. We on IRC chat miss it.
--Mierin 11:32, 3 November 2006 (EST)

Two words Mierin (and everyone else in that group): Grow up. --Zero 11:43, 3 November 2006 (EST)

What if an image is hosted on another website, say for example: http://imageshack.us/ and the link put onto the users Userpage? This solves the problem of wiki having to use up any of their precious space and it saves wikis bandwidth too. Seeing as new rules have been put in and some users don't like it, how about changing older rules to keep everyone happy?--Drow 19:25, 3 November 2006 (EST)

This is not an option. Enabling the linking of remote images causes cannot be enabled for just user pagers. It will enable it for all articles. That opens the door (again) for FFXIclopedia having to put trust in other sites to keep that image hosted. It's not a good idea, and we will not be enabling the display of remote images in the wiki. If you want to do that, use your blog --Ganiman 09:38, 10 November 2006 (EST)

For what it's worth, I would like to point out that there are some very nice user pics that are well within the 30KB allocation. For example, Image:User-Drow.jpg and Image:User-Shrew.JPG (who appear to know each other). --Gahoo 10:03, 10 November 2006 (EST)

I R Shrew's BF. :D Also thanks. If someone wants to mail me a picture I can try and make it a smaller file size somehow. --Drow 12:03, 11 November 2006 (EST)

I personnally like: Image:User-Nix.jpg, Image:User-Flotsam.jpg, & Image:User-Rirotiro.jpg for their actual pics and Image:User-Kaickul.gif & Image:User-Aequis.jpg for the pics and the quality. 30KB and the naming constructions required doesn't ruin the pictures at all. --Nynaeve 10:24, 10 November 2006 (EST)
Um, wow, thanks! :) Just seems like common sense to take a pic you like (mine is a pic of my character), and edit it to fit the guidelines for images. Understandably, some people may be upset by the new rules, but you can't please all the people all of the time, I guess. --Rirotiro 12:11, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Just some thoughts

I like the Image Idea. It makes this site more official. I used my User Picture opportunity to put up an image of myself. As far as people that want like 8 pictures of their character, there are some ways you can go about having more pictures on your user page without trying to add a personal image gallery. For example, try uploading good quality FFXI-images and give them a purpose. Or find existing images that are on other pages that have your character model. Since FFXIclopedia images have nobody's [name] in them, they can be pretty much placed on a user page with a little text to blend them into your page. There are MANY pages in FFXIclopedia that need your help. Some of them require illustration! A high quality image of a character with [Names] off that best illustrates the article could also be used on your own page; because hey, that "looks like you" *^_^*

Some images you might want to look at are on the JOBS page. Many good images of different character models displaying the different jobs. See yourself? The Adventurer Fellow Guide also features MANY different pictures of different character models. See yourself, there?

Try dressing up your User Page with these! *^_^*

Actually - The Image Policy clearly states that no pictures are to be uploaded that have PCs in them. Those pictures will either be deleted or replaced as we see fit. Even with names off, it really isn't appropriate. Please do not suggest solutions without reading the policy or talking to the Admins first. Thank you. --Nynaeve 17:38, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Hey I need to show a screenshot of someone disconnecting to be able to explain to people what it looks like. But I need to be able to take a picture of a PC, with their name showing etc. It'll be completely for educational purposes but I'm not sure if it still breaks some rules. Please advise --Drow 11:21, 13 November 2006 (EST)

I think that would be fine. --Gahoo 12:58, 13 November 2006 (EST)
Agreed. But I vote for a taru cuz they are cutes lol ... ^^ --Nynaeve 19:55, 13 November 2006 (EST)
It'll probably be Shrew or Frag because they can disconnect for me on command. But I'll ask around Jeuno to see if a taru is willing to help :D --Drow 06:58, 14 November 2006 (EST)
lol, it doesn't matter... I am just biased towards tarus... Use who is convenient for you, its your Guide. ^^ --Nynaeve 08:59, 14 November 2006 (EST)

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Well, I can think of a few situations where you *can't* take a picture without a PC in the picture Nynaeve... Have you looked at the images used in some of the Armor Set pages? Are you going to delete all of those? Japolo 11:03, 14 November 2006 (EST)

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Actually, those pictures are uploaded without names - that is the point of those - to display the armor and not the person. What we don't want, as it is stated in the Policy is Mob or NPC shots with PC's in it. This isn't a way to get instant fame, this is a place to display the NPC or Mob... Sometimes, its very, very difficult to get a Picture without you in it - for example - spawned Mobs, but we insist you try. Any pictures with PC's in them that are for Mobs or NPCs will get an {{Picture Replace}} tag so that if someone can upload a better one without PCs obstructing the view, it can easily be recognized and done. We do allow everyone (1) User Picture for their page of themselves that has to be of a certain size and name but beyond that - no pictures of people with /names on are really welcome. If you have to take a picture of something and cant get out of the way, try having /names off so that you don't see your name, just your basic character. We dont recommend this, but sometimes it can not be avoided. --Nynaeve 11:51, 14 November 2006 (EST)


On that note ... the Model Viewer is perfect for getting pictures of Armor. I used it for the RSE and Artifact Armor pages. I will use it for the JSE pages too when I get time to actually edit it.

For the record, everyone must use the Mierin char model for displaying characters in the Wiki. Please see the Artifact Armor page to see which char model Mierin is. (Okay, I made that up, but Mierin is so cute, you should use her.)

Heh, and not signing it makes it funnier, lol. Anyway, the armor set pages have PCs, yes, but you don't know who they are. It's not a character advertisement, it's only a display of an anonymous character in the aforementioned armor set. For armor sets that I didn't have (I only personally had like 5), I actually went into Lower Jeuno and shouted for models. I turned names off, because I only wanted a picture of the armor set, and I wasn't trying to hype the people who were modeling for me. Some people actually acused me of taking a picture with my taru in it, but in truth, my taru didn't have any sets... that picture was actually one of my models, who had like 5 different sets (and he made an easy 50k gil too, and gave me a cute pic of a taru RDM in AF ^^). The point is, without names, you can't really tell who it is, so it's not a user pic, it's a picture of a character model wearing an armor set. Also, I really don't like using the model viewer for armor set pics (for armor set pages), mainly cause I like the look of in-game screen shots. Also, it gives other users something to do if they want to take pictures of armor set models. --Chrisjander 12:30, 14 November 2006 (EST)


For what it's worth, I agree with not making those pictures "fame" shots. What I was trying to get across was an inherent disconnect in equating "PCs" with shots with names. What Nynaeve said earlier was that *NO* pics with PCs in them were to be uploaded... I understand that Nynaeve was trying to make it clear that attempts to sneak more images in for user pages could expect to meet with disapproval, but I'm pedantic enough to take exception to the statement as originally phrased. ^.^ -- Japolo 14:38, 14 November 2006 (EST)

PS2-Quality Pictures

Are PS2-quality pictures acceptable? I didn't see any mention of this in the policy, so I would guess that they are...but I just wanted to double-check before I started running all over Vana'diel taking screenshots. --SZK 11:33, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Yes they are fine. There is some technical issue where you will have to first save them through image viewer software before uploading them (which would probably do anyway). Someone can probably explain better. Just open them up in adobe or something, save them with a meaningful file name, and upload here. --Gahoo 11:36, 15 November 2006 (EST)
Awesome; thank you for the heads up. :) --SZK 20:46, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Picture of anything?

Me again. Can your userpage contain a personal image of anything? I assume most people use their character or a drawing of them - but could you use it for a picture of yourself or something that represents you... or something just completely off topic etc? I pretty much guessed you can't have anything offensive etc. --Drow 12:10, 9 January 2007 (EST)

As long as it doesn't violate any of the other tenaments of the Image Policy any personal picture is fine. --Mierin 12:34, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Signed images (inventory items)

I know it's a rule that you can't upload signed images, but it doesn't directly say that on this page (ex: someone uploads image that has their name plastered all over the image). It should note that this means both in-game signed images (player's name embedded in the lower right corner - you can get an unsigned image most of the time by pulling up items from the AH or other areas - there are very few items in game that are always signed) and it should also note this also means not PhotoShop'ing your name into the image. The same rule should apply where you can temp upload an image until a better one can be added (talking about in game signed images), but this should not apply if User:Jimbob uploads an image that has "Jimbob" PhotoShop'ed directly in the image. Can this be updated on the project page to make it a little clearer? Therefore it may reduce {{Image-Delete}} flags. --Wayka 10:08, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Eh slap me, I must of missed one part that used the term "no not brand", I was looking for "sign" lol. So it does say that, but I think it still maybe should say something about the in game signed images, where avoid uploading them if you can and get an unsigned in game image. --Wayka 10:23, 10 March 2007 (EST)
Thanks for updating that, even putting it in bold :) Hopefully this will reduce the number of personally signed uploads. --Wayka 03:15, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

custom fonts

how come we cant use custom fonts in our images? what's the reasoning behind it (beyond the fact that it's custom)

the one i use is more readable then the original one, more so at lower resolutions where you can see the original has bad jaggys

it only states fonts are unacceptable, it doesnt mention custom window styles even how come the former isnt allowed but the latter isnt mentioned? --Themanii 01:06, 19 March 2007 (EDT)


Because the Wiki seeks uniformity. --Mierin 06:50, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Transparency

It might be a good idea to note in the Items section about transparency to change to the non-transparent background is the second option in Windows section in the Config menu while in FFXI. The transparent version is #1 (default). --Charitwo 13:16, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

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