Talk:Royale Ramble
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fndragon:
There has to be some trick to this KSNM, we went 0/4 and gave up at that point. (WHM, RDM, PLD, DRG, RNG, BLU) I personally know that a Blue Mage can solo the Queen of Batons pretty quickly, but perhaps killing the queens first was not the best strategy.
Fragan:
Same as fndragon at first, we went 0/3 and couldn't find the trick to winning. (PLD, BLU, MNK, NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/WHM). However we finally won using the following strategy:
Paladin opened with provoke on King of Swords and pulled back to entrance, whilst the Ninja and the Red Mage/NIN shadow tanked the Queen of Batons and the Queen of Cups. The queens do not move into melee range and so can be easily shadow tanked as they will only use magic. ~aga spells can get messy but can still be relatively easily handled. Everyone but the Ninja and Red Mage killed the king who poses the most trouble as he has more HP and hits harder than the queens. Just keep hacking and he will go down though. After the king is dead the queens can be easily killed shortly after. The Queen of Cups likes to Cure IV the Queen of Batons so try to seperate them if you go for the Queen of Batons first. Also it might be an idea for the player who is tanking the Queen of Batons to bring Poison Potion as it likes to cast Sleepga.
Decadence:
We just killed the PLD King, while the Queens were held. We attacked WHM Queen next, and found it was near invincible. So we moved onto BLm Queen, and killed it quick. Back to WHM Queen, and it's still unbelievably solid - ridiculous evasion (under 5% Acc rate with 420Acc), and generally was hit for 0. WSs rarely got triple figures. The defences started to wane, and we took it to about 45%, then it used Benediction and was back to sky-high defences. Every so often the defence would seem to lower and we'd hit for some damage, but we eventually timed out at about 60%. I have no idea what's causing the WHM Queen to be so hard to hurt. I've read reports that killing the BLM Queen does this, but the WHM Queen was like this even before we'd killed the BLM Queen.
Arianaos:
did two runs with my LS. easy fight. drops that were not listed on wiki page include: Hierarch belt, Malboro Fiber, Phil. Stone and Coral Fragment. Hierarch belt and Destroyers dropped both runs. I've updated the page to reflect those drops are part of the reward. should mention that we did the fight as pld, 2mnk, thf, whm and smn first run and pld, mnk, thf, rdm, whm and smn second.
User:Sanjuro asura:
Just did this one, Pld Mnk Whm Rdm Drg War...the drops arnt correctly listed on the page...I got Trump crown and O ingot in same run
Then the drops are, in fact, listed correctly. If you look at the groupings, you'll see that 1 O. Ingot drops 100% of the time. However, an O. Ingot can also drop in place of the crown, resulting in 2 O. Ingots droping in 1 run. --Jawat 07:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
User:Pryssant:
Each Cardian can also drop their respective card, resulting in more than 1 card each run (additionnal card doesn't come from the chest
User:Sylphida:
Elemental Breath from Dragoon's wyvern seem to have the same effect as magic on these Cardians. So if you are bringing Dragoon, dismiss your wyvern.
User:Satsuiki:
From what I hear, the Cardians get extra strong with each spell cast on them. So don't use magic.
User:Gregou:
You CAN use Magic in this KSNM !!! Only Bind and Gravity make Cardians stronger ! Just try it and see for yourself, I used Para II Slow II Dispel Dia III and all that stuff (nuked sometimes, works well), and this info is confirmed in JP wiki... Please change the main page...
I myself have kited the WHM spawn with Bio3, numerous dispel, paralyze and IT DID NOT RAGE on the DD when it was killed last - according to "magic causes rage" theory, DD should not even be able to put a dent on WHM with that much magic on it. In fact, it died without even benedicting.
I think people are getting confused with real "rage" with just the TP moves that the cardians do. The cardians have natural TP-gain, if you didn't notice, and it spams TP moves anyway...in real rage, the damage you do to cardians are nearly non-existant.
ALL MAGIC WILL CAUSE THE NM's to Rage. This is incorrect - as long as magic/skillchain/weapon skill will not hinder their movement, it will not cause them to rage. Strangely enough, this is a common misconception among NA players, whereas the JP players have known the truth and have used offensive magic on the cardians for a long time, as seen in JP FF11 wiki site here.
- tested 2 nights ago, any magic cast on the king caused him to rage immediately, including Skillchains. 6/6 runs we tested 3 with no magic and no chains, 3 we tested with sc's and magic damage. The final 3 (magic and skillchains) caused him to rage immediately and nearly lost us the runs.
- It has been tested with 2 6x runs that the cardians did not rage immediately when casted with Dia II, Paralyze, Slow, Blind, Bio III, Thunder III on Transfixion skillchain. The attacks and speed were as same as before no magic was casted upon.
- Three runs (due to time constraints) picking King of Swords, using WS, some (mostly accidental?) SCs, with Flash, Dispel, Dia, Slow, Disserverment (damage + poison effect, IIRC), etc. We avoided anything and everything which can/may cause the weighted, cursed, or bind effect. No rage--didn't try nukes, but we're inclined to believe that wouldn't cause problem either. Go go FFO JP wiki! --FFXI-Itazura 06:24, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Rage confirmed, King of Coins when casted on with Gravity by a RDM (Same type as the King of Coins) became highly resistant to physical attacks (Attacks hitting for 0-15, we had mistaken it for a very strong Stoneskin but infact it was the rage) and doubled in strength (Going from hitting a well-geared PLD/WAR for 120-180 to 350-400 per hit), this only occurs when Gravity is NOT resisted and actually lands. I'm assuming this means that the specific King cardian's rage when casted on with a magic of their type.
PS: This lack of experience cost us an orb, 2 wipes and a loss. --Xynthios 18:29, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
- Did your group try not using Gravity and Bind (as well as gear which can cause Curse like BLM JSE)? The theory is that if you do not do those things, the Cardians would not rage. Good to know that Gravity can cause rage, but I think what most people would want to know is how to make sure they don't rage. heh. --FFXI-Itazura 14:41, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
