Talk:Weapon Skill Points

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I have been asked by an admin to please post this information. you CAN gain WSP while level synced. I have tested this with every weapon that can be broken. It doesn't seem to matter which level you are synced to as I have broken a Heart Snatcher in ONLY a level 55 party and i've broken my Senj. Katana in various leveled parties. My Katana of Trials I broke while duoing with someone synced at level 66 and 70. This means you CAN gain WSP from any level. This was tested with Apnea's WSP Checker as well as being able to get the quest for Blade: Ku and Evisceration WS without ever being the level to use said weapons. This being said, please do NOT edit the weapons that I have edited to reflect this fact as it is just that. A fact. Relicant 15:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Which is it? Can WS points be earned in Campaign or not? Currently this article has both being true. --Morari 05:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think they can. I recently tried to break my Staff of Trials and ended up having to earn way, way more than what should have been 300 points. The only thing I can attribute it to is Campaign battles. You can, however, earn WS points in WotG areas. I know that because I eventually broke the latent soloing tigers in-between battles in Jugner Forest [S]. --TECHNO-- Talk / Contrib 06:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd also like to say that you can't break a weapon of trials in campaign with tags on. I tried to break my Knuckles of Trials exclusively in campaign (with a few goobbue between battles) and kept track of the number of weapon skills I did. I went well past the 300 mark without breaking them in campaign and eventually broke them with some friends on the goobbues between campaigns. I'm going to stick a verification tag on the main page. --Telford 08:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I also kept track of the points I gained in campaign and was not able to break my Sapara of trails. I took a look at the history and it appears that it was originally written (confirmed?) that you could not accumulate points in campaign. After that edit it appears that the notes bullets were butchered to what it is now. I'm going to put it back and indicate that weapon skills done during campaign battles do not count. Grouf 04:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's open the discussion again because obviously there's still some confusion. Can both parties state clearly what you did to test this so we can come to an agreement? I haven't broken any yet so I can't weigh in myself. --Toksyuryel 06:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

A friend and myself tried to break their Trial weapon using Campaign mobs. My friend got tags and managed to get what should have been upwards of 30 points before before we moved to Kuftal to continue. After gaining 275 points off of the crabs the weapon still wasn't broken. I think it's safe to say that Campaign mobs don't count when using tags, at least, yeah? Also, it was hard to tell exactly who got credit for certain skillchains during Campaign, so we only went with the points we were sure of (just to give some idea of how faithful we tried to be in our testing). --Aldoris 00:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Another person in my LS states that skillchains done with your NPC don't count for the 2/3/5 points from closing skillchains... has anyone been able to confirm or deny this? Vaius 22:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I broke my Dagger of Trials soloing with my NPC in the back of Kuftal tunnel, kept track of each point, and it broke right on time when it was supposed to. I'm very sure that it doesn't matter who or what opens the SC, if you close it you get as many as you should. A skillchain is a skillchain, and still takes effort, even if the opener is an NPC. --KingOfZeal 21:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm confirm this as well. I've broken a Sapara of Trials, a Dagger of Trials, an Axe of Trials, a Pick of Trials, and a Rampager with my NPC. --Keneth 21:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You can get points while under Level Sync. However, can anyone confirm that it's possible even if you Level Sync under the level of the weapon (i.e. 71)? It seems reasonable to assume so, but a growing number of in-game players seem convinced otherwise. ---Iecerint 14:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Iecerint

I have heard rumors that weapon skill points cannot be obtained from using weapon skills without skill chain properties, e.g. Spirit Taker. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Im pretty sure i broke my Dissector latent using spirits within--AsuranRtm 02:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

You can get WSP from any Weapon Skill, it's just that you only get more than 1 if you close a Skillchain- so Spirit Taker, Spirits Within, etc. will never give you more than 1 WSP per use. --Volkai 17:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Wild flourish SC

it says in the description: "Skillchains opened via Wild Flourish also count towards adding points for the character who closes the Skillchain, but not for the Dancer who used the Flourish." if i am the character who clsoes it, i wont get points? --Raana 18:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I think this means that the Dancer who uses WF does not get the 1 point for opening a chain, but whoever closes the chain gets the appropriate number of points. --Kasandaro 00:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

gee, i hop so. if its not taht way, i have wasted a looooot of time :/ --Raana 15:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC) you yes, it appears that ending a sc with wild flourish does count. --Raana 14:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Using Wild Flourish does not count as using a Weapon Skill, so you get nothing for using Wild Flourish. However, you will get the appropriate number of points for closing a Skill Chain with your WS because the WSP counter doesn't keep track of if a skillchain is opened or not, only if you have closed one. --Volkai 17:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Starlight and Moonlight

Confirmed you will always gain 1 weaponskill point when using these club weaponskills, regardless of the enemy you are engaged with. Tested on many different levels of enemies (including Too Weak mobs) using LatentChecker software, and also unlocked Mystic Boon by using solely Moonlight on too weak crawlers in the entrance of the Crawlers Nest (zone came in handy for checking WS points) for the entire second half of the WS point accumulation. Logic can only suggest that it is because the weaponskills are performed on yourself and not an enemy, even though you must be engaged with a foe, you can be absolute max distance away from the enemy you're engaged with and still use these weaponskills on yourself.

Shining Strike still gave 0 weaponskill points on Too Weak enemies, while Starlight and Moonlight both gave 1 weaponskill point each.

Things like Campaign and Besieged still need to be tested. I haven't tried those as of yet.--Auraeon 03:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Tested and confirmed in Campaign. First SS taken right before using Starlight, second right after.

--Thiez 16:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Blue Magic?

Do BLU solo Skillchains count as Level 2 and 3? A friend just asked me this.. and It seemed a good question, he needed Savage Blade, and I will need it soon too. Seanr.Midgardsormr

Well, that all depends on the skillchain that results from the magic/WS combination. I'm pretty sure that you need to use a weaponskill to close it to get the points though, instead of a blue magic. --Urth 20:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

When I get up that high, I'll Test it and report back. Seanr.Midgardsormr

I haven't actually tested this, but... you have to WS with the weapon you're trying to get WSP for, which is why you can't, say, break a Dissector latent with it in your offhand, so it would make sense that Blue Magic also doesn't count as coming from your weapon. Thus, it would figure that skillchains closed by spells don't count to WSP - but if you can figure out a way to close the skillchain with a WS instead of a spell (which will probably involve a TP Wing - maybe a Daedalus Wing from a Treasure Casket) then you can get more WSP that way. --Volkai 17:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Missed WS

Just as an added note, and this sounds pretty obvious, but missed WSes don't count for any points whether opening or closing a SC. No COR marksmanship WS is 100% accurate (well, aside from Leaden Salute which I'm in the process of unlocking), and so after testing a night's worth of WSes (noting all misses) with Apnea's latent checker (http://forums.windower.net/index.php?showtopic=13703&st=0) it's pretty clear they aren't counting towards the total. Points earned solo is a little lower than the no. of ammo used.

So when unlocking latent weapons try and go for the multi-hitters like Guillo, etc.EddGilgamesh 09:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Zero-damage WS's?

"Doing skill chains that produce 0 (zero) damage on the effect will only count as 1 point towards the latent. For example; a Puppetmaster can do a self Skillchain with the Automaton by doing Dragon Kick >> Magic Mortar (by the Automaton ) = Light (Skillchain). But if the Automaton has full HP then the Magic Mortar only does 0 damage, resulting in a Light (Skillchain) of 0 damage, resulting in only 1 point towards the Stringing Pummel unlocking."

I propose removing this statement from ALL the Unlocking a Myth quests, as not only is it inaccurate, it's misleading. In the above case, Dragon Kick > Magic Morter does do Light, but that it only produces 1 point with 0 damage is misleading: it does one point because Dragon Kick was used to OPEN the skillchain, and that's only worth one point regardless of the closing. Beyond what was said, I don't know of any other way of producing a 0-damage level 3 skillchain with the mythic weapons equipped. (cross-posted from Talk:Unlocking_a_Myth_(Puppetmaster))--KingOfZeal 18:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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