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(the following was presumably posted by User:zoogelio-forgot-his-password):
Here's what I've accumulated from the KI thread and from doing some searching online
The number next to the server is what # server they were to obtain that weapon. 0 means its their 2nd weapon of that type.
Name Server When obtained (roughly) DAGGER (Mandau) Issei Diabolos1 Late June 2005 (THF) [they got banned from the game in Fall 2005] [6/20/05 or earlier] Erena Caitsith2 Unknown. Sometime in Summer-Early Fall 2005 [maybe her 2nd Relic Weapon] Songoku Bahamut3 Early-Mid October 2005 Brunnhilde Carbuncle4 Late October 2005 Judymary Titan5 Unknown. Fall 2005? [JP] Zakuone Cerberus6 Early December 2005 Cleen Fenrir7 Late January 2006 (THF) [1st NA to get Mandau] Knockout Shiva8 Mid February 2006 Gravekeeper Shiva0 Late February 2006 Dava Alexander9 Late March 2006 Milly Ramuh10 Early April 2006 (THF) Sora Siren11 Mid May 2006 Takuma Shiva0 Late May 2006 Noise Bismarck12 Late May 2006 Lordwafik Asura13 Late May 2006 (5/27/06) (Hume-M (THF, BST)) Irtehdevine Titan0 Early June 2006 Miluku Caitsith0 Late June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 6 Total (6/18/06): 17 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 15 Stats: Diabolos was the first server to obtain a Mandau. Shiva was the first server to obtain more than one Mandau. SWORD (Excalibur) Elweed Phoenix1 [fill in data here] Discordian Midgardsormr2 Late September 2005 (9/24/05) Ssizz Kujata3 Late September 2005 Peregrine Shiva4 Unknown. Sometime in October 2005 Bikkwin Bahamut5 Mid October 2005 Rave Seraph6 Early-Mid November 2005 Yua Phoenix0 Mid November 2005 Arcers Odin7 Mid-Late November 2005 Kagura Caitsith8 Mid-Late November 2005 [JP] Hattifnatt Alexander9 Late November 2005 [JP] Rika Lakshmi10 Late November 2005 Jwb Bismarck11 Early December 2005 (~12/4/05) (RDM) Shikichi Remora12 Mid December 2005 Wolfheinrich Gilgamesh13 ~December 2005 Rit Remora0 Unknown. Probably December 2005/January 2006 Hachi Ifrit14 Mid January 2006 Katsuma Valefor15 sometime before Late January 2006 [JP] Jiuwanie Kujata0 Late January 2006 (1/25/06) Bramd Quetzalcoatl16 Late January 2006 Roundhouse Unicorn17 Early February 2006 (2/7/06) Lei Midgardsormr0 Mid March 2006 (PLD) [his 2nd Relic Weapon] Vali Leviathan18 Mid March 2006 Atrox Ragnarok19 Mid March 2006 Senseless Remora0 Late March 2006 Lucien Ragnarok0 Early April 2006 (4/6/06) Groucho Shiva0 Early April 2006 (RDM) Raito Pandemonium20 Early April 2006 (Hume-M (PLD) Pirorin Valefor0 Early-Mid April 2006 (RDM) Yuzuu Phoenix0 Early-Mid April 2006 General Phoenix0 Mid April 2006 (4/14/06) (Hume-M (PLD)) Griffith Bahamut0 Late April 2006 Light Phoenix0 Mid May 2006 Neosaber Caitsith0 Late May 2006 Seeker Phoenix0 by Mid-Late June 2006 [their 2nd Relic Weapon] Glorias Phoenix0 by Mid-Late June 2006 Rooi Quetzalcoatl0 by Mid-Late June 2006 Soulessknight Carbuncle21 Late June 2006 (6/27/06) Total (End of 2005): 14 Total (6/29/06): 37 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 36 Stats: Phoenix was the first server to obtain an Excalibur. Phoenix was the first server to obtain more than one Excalibur. GREAT SWORD (Ragnarok) Ostrea Gilgamesh1 [before 6/18/05] (Elvaan-M (DRK)) [JP] Raizo Titan2 Late November 2005 (~11/22/05) (Galka (DRK)) [JP] Yuta Titan0 Late December 2005 [JP] Piko Cerberus3 Late May 2006 Lum Sylph4 Late May/Early June 2006 Tzu Fenrir5 Mid June 2006 (???-M (DRK)) Mats Ramuh6 [need data here] Total (End of 2005): 3 Total (6/29/06): 7 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 7 Stats: Gilgamesh was the first server to obtain a Ragnarok. Titan was the first server to obtain more than one Ragnarok. AXE (Guttler) Coffeeblack Leviathan1 Late May 2006 Total (End of 2005): 0 Total (6/17/06): 1 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 1 Stats: Leviathan was the first server to obtain a Guttler. GREAT AXE (Bravura) Ryohousen Gilgamesh1 [before 6/18/05] (Galka (WAR)) [JP] Jaypee Ragnarok2 Early October 2005 (10/1/05) (Hume-F (WAR) [NA] Underscore Midgardsormr3 Mid-Late October 2005 Lhexh Seraph4 ~Mid October 2005 Nicholas Gilgamesh0 Late November 2005 Shiina Leviathan5 Late November 2005 Cqr Siren6 ~Late November 2005 Ikasam Remora7 Late November/Early December 2005 Halley Lakshmi8 Mid-Late December 2005 Stephen Midgardsormr0 Early March 2006 (Taru-M (WAR)) [NA] Trinsie Hades9 Early June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 9 Total (6/17/06): 11 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 10 Stats: Gilgamesh was the first server to obtain a Bravura. Gilgamesh was the first server to obtain more than one Bravura. KATANA (Kikoku) Exgrave Shiva1 [before 7/31/05] Hiraiken Titan2 Early-Mid September 2005 Obiwan Diabolos3 Unknown. Fall 2005 Reza Diabolos0 Unknown. Fall 2005 Dddon Ragnarok4 Late October/Early November 2005 Kohhei Valefor5 Mid-Late November 2005 Dauragon Gilgamesh6 Late November 2005 [JP] Sadam Titan0 Late December 2005 (NIN) Tomosakai Leviathan7 Late December 2005 Solidgold Pandemonium8 Late December 2005 Dillinja Shiva0 Early January 2006 (Taru-M (NIN)) Asraferu Odin9 Mid January 2006 Aidanizen Unicorn10 Early February 2006 (2/2/06) Koba Cerberus11 Early February 2006 Jahga Odin0 Early-Mid February 2006 Battosi Bismarck12 Early March 2006 (3/8/06) Kirianna Garuda13 Late March 2006 Keichan Seraph14 Early April 2006 Rvision Quetzacoatl15 Early May 2006 Kisada Quetzacoatl0 Early May 2006 Jesper Hades16 Mid May 2006 [JP] Stellar Ragnarok0 Late May 2006 Joel Sylph17 Late May/Early June 2006 Deniro Ramuh18 Early June 2006 Espresso Pandemonium0 Early June 2006 Minidragon Bismarck0 Early/Mid June 2006 [also has Maat's Cap] Jousuke <<< server?>>> Late June 2006 Divayth Ramuh0 Late June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 10 Total (6/29/06): 28 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 30 <<<< missing 2 <<<< Stats: Shiva was the first server to obtain a Kikoku. Diabolos was the first server to obtain more than one Kikoku. GREAT KATANA (Amanomurakumo) Boit Caitsith1 [place date here] Buzin Titan2 Early-Mid October 2005 (Hume-M) Tsuto Fenrir3 Late November 2005 Mkjn Bahamut4 Unknown. ~December 2005 [JP] Fosethia Carbuncle5 Late January 2006 Dilandau Sylph6 Early-Mid February 2006 [JP] Stranger Odin7 Mid-Late February 2006 [JP] Yakusya Gilgamesh8 Early-Mid March 2006 Celine Ragnarok9 Mid-March 2006 Espresso Leviathan10 Mid June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 4 Total (6/29/06): 10 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 10 Stats: Caitsith was the first server to obtain an Amanomurakumo. CLUB (Mjollnir) Lattelatte Alexander1 Late October/Early November 2005 Lavish Titan2 Late November 2005 (Hume-M (WHM)) [their 2nd Relic Weapon] Guen Fenrir3 Early January 2006 Hitosi Asura4 Mid-Late March 2006 Kuzuha Gilgamesh5 Early-Mid April 2006 Asteea Siren6 Mid May 2006 [JP] (???? (WHM)) Total (End of 2005): 2 Total (6/17/06): 6 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 6 Stats: Alexander was the first server to obtain a Mjollnir. STAFF (Claustrum) Caile Ragnarok1 [before 7/2/05] (Taru-? (SMN)) [JP]) Vipey Titan2 Late June 2006 (SMN) Total (End of 2005): 1 Total (6/29/06): 2 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 1 Stats: Ragnarok was the first server to obtain a Claustrum. HAND-TO-HAND (Spharai) Olochi Diabolos1 [place date here] (Hume-M (MNK) [JP] Gradient Kujata2 Mid-Late July 2005 [NA] [1st NA to get a Relic Weapon] Lucifar Quetzalcoatl3 Early-Mid October 2005 Muze Titan4 Mid November 2005 (Elvaan-M (MNK)) Myriana Siren5 Unknown. ~December 2005 Goodspeed Leviathan6 Late December 2005 Keitia Ragnarok7 Late January 2006 Zintonick Remora8 Early February 2006 Knuckle Seraph9 Late February 2006 (Galka (MNK)) Kenzsmasters Midgardsormr10 Mid March 2006 (3/18/06) Brennon Asura11 Early April 2006 (4/7/06) (Elvaan-F (MNK)) Yoshinori Cerberus12 Mid May 2006 (MNK) Juice Leviathan0 by Mid June 2006 [their 2nd Relic Weapon] Zoya Lakshmi13 Mid-Late June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 6 Total (6/29/06): 14 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 13 Stats: Diabolos was the first server to obtain a Spharai. POLEARM (Gungnir) Kaluga Caitsith1 [6/25/05 or earlier] [JP] Nasheru Ragnarok2 Late October 2005 Keisuke Siren3 Unknown. Sometime between Late Fall 2005- Early Spring 2006[JP] Endica Ifrit4 Early April 2006 Ishtal Ragnarok0 Early-Mid June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 2 Total (6/17/06): 5 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 5 Stats: Caitsith was the first server to obtain a Gungnir. Ragnarok was the first server to obtain more than one Gungnir. SCYTHE (Apocalypse) Deathknight Phoenix1 [place date here] Rui Alexander2 ~Early July 2005 Roger Lakshmi3 Unknown. Sometime between Summer 2005 and Early Spring 2006 Zan Bahamut4 Mid April 2006 Calble Kujata5 Late April 2006 (4/29/06) (Elvaan-M (DRK)) Serise Quetzacoatl6 Early May 2006 Vivaud Carbuncle7 Mid May 2006 (Elvaan-M (DRK)) Cashell Quetzalcoatl0 Late May 2006 Unctgtg Ragnarok8 Late May 2006 (Elvaan-M (DRK)) Total (End of 2005): 3 Total (6/17/06): 9 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 8 Stats: Phoenix was the first server to obtain an Apocalypse. Quetzalcoatl was the first server to obtain more than one Apocalypse. ARCHERY (Yoichinoyumi) Muteki Seraph1 [place date here] Eiji Ifrit2 Early-Mid October 2005 Juice Leviathan3 Mid-Late October 2005 [their 1st Relic Weapon] Naporing Fenrir4 sometime ~October 2005 [JP] Miro Gilgamesh5 Late November 2005 [JP] Metalzig Bismarck6 Early-Mid January 2006 Liru Cerberus7 Mid March 2006 (~3/18/06) Folna Hades8 Unknown. Spring 2006 [JP] Destestu Ragnarok9 Unknown. Spring 2006[JP] Elnath Shiva10 for a while before Early May 2006 Total (End of 2005): 4 Total (6/17/06): 10 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 12 <<<< missing 2 <<<< Stats: Seraph was the first server to obtain a Yoichinoyumi. MARKSMANSHIP (Annihilator) Arrow Odin1 [place date here] (Taru-M) Mimoza Ragnarok2 Late July 2005 [JP] Erena Caitsith3 Unknown. Late Summer/Early Fall 2005 [maybe her 2nd Relic Weapon] Baran Ragnarok0 Early October 2005 Kupo Diabolos4 Mid October 2005 Hatpop Shiva5 Early December 2005 Lowzeon Carbuncle6 Mid-Late December 2005 Deevo Fenrir7 Late December 2005 Norix Leviathan8 Unknown. Late 2005? Ponco Shiva0 Late December 2005/ Early January 2006 (Mithra) [JP] Dalsengo Carbuncle0 Early January 2006 Syin Alexander9 Mid January 2006 Doshu Fairy10 Mid-Late January 2006 (RNG) Peco Phoenix11 before early Feb 2006 Keisuke Cerberus12 Mid-Late March 2006 Ramirez Diabolos0 Before Early June 2006 (RNG) Siva Ragnarok0 Early-Mid June 2006 (Hume-M? (RNG)) Total (End of 2005): 10 Total (6/17/06): 17 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 21 <<<< missing 4 <<<< Stats: Odin was the first server to obtain an Annihilator. Ragnarok was the first server to obtain more than one Annihilator. INSTRUMENT (Gjallarhorn) Lavish Titan1 [place date here] Ostrea Gilgamesh2 [June 2005] Letticia Odin3 Late July 2005 (7/27/05) (Hume-F (BRD)) [JP] Simd Pandemonium4 Late August 2005 [JP] Tredvolt Bismarck5 Early October 2005 Timothay Diabolos6 Mid October 2005 Aroe Lakshmi7 Late November 2005 Caudle Diabolos0 Late December 2005 Daxam Fenrir8 Late January 2006 Luna Diabolos0 Mid-Late February 2006 Elien Cerberus9 Mid March 2006 (3/20/06) Zyclon Hades10 Mid-Late March 2006 Tellus Leviathan11 Early May 2006 Barbarossa Shiva12 Early-Mid May 2006 [name withheld] Ragnarok13 Late May 2006 Lindstrom Midgardsormr14 Early June 2006 Noitide Ramuh15 Early June 2006 [1st non-JP Relic on Ramuh] Selenda Bismarck0 Early/Mid June 2006 Rosencrantz Bismarck0 Early/Mid June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 8 Total (6/29/06): 19 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 21 <<<< missing 2 <<<< Stats: Titan was the first server to obtain a Gjallarhorn. Diabolos was the first server to obtain more than one Gjallarhorn. SHIELD (Aegis) Seeker Phoenix1 Late October/Early November 2005 (Elvaan-M (PLD)) Masachika Alexander2 Late November 2005 (Taru-M) (11/26/05) Ryuta Odin3 Early December 2005 Season Diabolos4 Mid December 2005 (12/13/05) Rio Caitsith5 Late December 2005 [also owned a Maat's Cap] Garcons Unicorn6 Mid-Late January 2006 (1/21/06) (Galka (PLD)) [JP] Yoshihiro Titan7 Early February 2006 (Galka (PLD)) [JP] Winraf Bismarck8 Early-Mid February 2006 Kuick Ragnarok9 sometime before mid February 2006 Lei Midgardsormr10 sometime in February 2006 (PLD) Sinus Remora11 Mid-Late March 2006 (3/22/06) (PLD) Sonix Diabolos0 Early April 2006 (4/8/06) Samidare Gilgamesh12 Early-Mid April 2006 Dilias Diabolos0 Mid April 2006 (4/15/06) (Hume-M (PLD)) Ostrea Gilgamesh0 Early May 2006 [their 3rd Relic Weapon] Terny Ragnarok0 Late May 2006 Sia Remora0 Early June 2006 (Galka (PLD)) Laphroaig Cerberus13 Early-Mid June 2006 Ssizz Kujata14 Mid June 2006 (Hume-F (PLD)) [their 2nd Relic Weapon] Maximuss Bismarck0 by Mid June 2006 Falco Leviathan15 Mid June 2006 Kenshirou Caitsith0 Late June 2006 Archimond Garuda16 Late June 2006 (~6/23/06) Relkin Ragnarok0 Late June 2006 Total (End of 2005): 5 Total (6/29/06): 24 6th Vana'diel Census (6/23/06): 22 Stats: Phoenix was the first server to obtain an Aegis. Diabolos was the first server to obtain more than one Aegis. There were also reports of a BRD with Gjallarhorn on Ragnarok, but they wished to go nameless.
I have the data on when the very first people got Relic Weapons in Spring- Fall 2005, I just have to find it. --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 16:35, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
old Talk posts copied from Category_talk:Relic_Weapons
(work in progress, copy/pasted from this source, created by Dr.Ifto, updated by KI mods and Lordwafik)
- It would be nice if we could create a list by server as well.
- Please refrain from posting any unfinished (Level 4 and below) relic weapons. Thanks. --Ichthyos 16:06, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
I think a list of Relic holders is a bad idea for wiki, not to mention with Stage 4 being relitivly uncommon now, we'll probably see a surge in Stage 5s soon...
The list is already long enough, and there's no real point to it, except giving people a way to say "hay I saw ur name on a list, u hav relic lol!" Feba 17:05, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
Hmm, how is this different from trying to keep records of Server Records on the Besieged talk page? I agree that this isn't appropriate for the actual Relic Weapons page, but I felt it was appropriate for the talk page, especially if it were categorized by server. I'm sure there are people out there who don't know that much about relics and wouldn't mind knowing who on their server has upgraded so they can ask them for advice and/or for a demonstration. --Ichthyos 17:18, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
So let's keep this on the talk page? I'm gonna try to add the table from the Vana'diel Census to the main page, since I find that's relevant, but I don't think a named list is very good, especially considering there's over 200 people now with either Relic or Stage4 Feba 06:06, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
There's a conflict between the above and below charts. look at Polearm.Feba 15:49, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
I think perhaps it should get a separate page, like "List of Players with Completed Relic Weapons" or something to that effect. I went through the KI Relic Weapons thread and tried to get a compilation of who got a relic weapon, what server they are on, and when they got it for the intention of creating a table listing the order the first relic weapon of each type was obtained by a server. I figured it could be used for some fun facts to add to each server page, like having a Factoids section on each Server page, stating "Server X was the first to obtain Relic Weapon Y before any other server" or something like that. According to the KI data (I haven't tried to correlate it with SE's data and look for discrepancies), Ragnarok has 12/16 weapon types completed and is leading the servers. 2 servers, I think Garuda & Seraph (off the top of my head, I have it compiled elsewhere) have only 1/16 weapon types completed.
I was planning on constructing a grid which would have all 31 servers and all 16 weapon types and the order each server obtained them relative to other servers "for the first time" and get a table of various metrics, like: first server to obtain all weapon types, last server " " ", first server to obtain 2 different relic weapons, etc. I got a table, for example, of the order the servers beat the Twinkling Treant back in 2003. I think it would color each server page, allowing people to get a sense of what each server is like compared to other servers by using various scales of accomplishment (unless people can write an impartial profile for each server which objectively analyzes its economy, the status of its endgame, etc without comments like "this server blows" or "server name pwns all teh others!") --zoogelio-forgot-his-password 22:47, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
I must say.... these stats are unverifiable and ever (slowly) changing. But if your going to be posting this info at least don't abbreviate the server names. Thats just annoying. --NoOneLeft 13:40, 16 January 2007 (EST)
Unverifiable? Definitely, but it's not like NASA is relying on this chart for an upcoming launch or something. It's just information for fun and it's good enough as far as getting a broad picture. Worthwhile? Mileage may vary depending on who's reading. The server names are fine as they are though. The uniform abbreviation keeps playernames relatively lined up. Legibility-wise, I think it's much more annoying reading this:
Midgardsormr - This (livejournal entry)
Midgardsormr - Isa
Odin - Fake
Odin - Playerwithareallylongassname
Odin - Justfor
Pandemonium - Thesakeofthisexample (pic)
Pandemonium - Bear
Pandemonium - Withme
than this:
Midg - This (livejournal entry)
Midg - Isa
Odin - Fake
Odin - Playerwithareallylongassname
Odin - Justfor
Pand - Thesakeofthisexample (pic)
Pand - Bear
Pand - Withme
If I could, I would change the font to fixed-width. You are welcome to unabbreviate the server names if you want though. It's not really a big deal either way.--TP 13:35, 18 January 2007 (EST)
There are 3 people missing from the Hades list for Shield.
I can confirm that there are at least 3 more on the server that aren't listed: Alldo (hell, I was requested to come to that Dynamis run to help fight shield). The current shell holder for excellence (forgive me, its late, and I can't remember his name to save my life). I also saw someone from AscendantSky with one, I can't remember his name either, only because I am really tired. I find it funny because two of them happened to be standing around the same place earlier this evening, as Excellence and AS were both getting ready to monopolize Limbus (we got SE Apollyon though, cause we're faster than Ex ;P)
I'm not so sure that this is the new definitive list on Relic, but it needs more maintenance. I see someone from Hades (Darill) having Mandau, which is funny, because his Dynamis LS (er, mine too) upgraded him AFTER Alldo's shield.(posted by Nix)
I don't get? I don't think it was ever claimed that this list was "definitive." Not sure that's even possible. And if you have missing info, why did you make the effort to post that and then proceed to NOT update the list? =/ --TP 03:49, 8 February 2007 (EST)
I clearly said I'm not sure if this is the definitive list... I dunno who decided to put this list in a talk page here, but I found the list a lot easier to find on the old site (bluegartr). Regardless, I mentioned at least one name there, so the information isn't exactly difficult to come by:
Hades: Alldo - Relic Shield Winterfeldt - Relic Shield
There is one more, but I don't have his name offhand. --Toxictaru 15:45, 8 February 2007 (EST)
The way you said it implied it was supposed to be definitive, which it clearly is not. Whether you found it easier to find at BG is rather moot. I don't think you understand the concept of having it moved here or the concept of the wiki in general. It's in this spot so that its maintenance doesn't have to rely solely on a single forum OP (a particularly good reason in this case, since I don't have my own net access to conveniently update on my own). Everybody can contribute and edit information here. To be clear, the names you mentioned can and should be inserted into the list above if you are willing to make that effort. Why you chose to post it down here instead is still unclear to me, but I'll go ahead and insert those myself. Please feel free to edit the list yourself in the future!
Besides that, it was suggested on BG itself that the list be moved here. Perhaps you mean to say that the list should be made into a seperate article instead of a subsection in the Talk section? That might be a good idea, but I honestly don't care if it remains here or gets "article-ized." If you wish, go ahead and suggest it to whoever runs this site. Also, believe it or not, that information actually IS difficult to come by, considering all the people who are NOT on Hades or privy to Hades-specific information.--TP 03:09, 12 February 2007 (EST)
Considering this list appears to have been MOVED from the BG forums. I would have to assume that whatever data contained here would have come from there. Considering the people I mentioned WERE on that old list, I have to wonder how it got removed. Honestly, I don't care. The OP doesn't want to maintain, but you can drop the attitude about it. I know the spirit of wiki, and honestly, your attitude about this is far from desirable. I put the names out there not once but twice, so regardless of whether or not you are on Hades, I think it was pretty clear that they have the aforementioned upgrades. Honestly, I think this list is pointless if no one is going to maintain it. If no one has any vested interested in this, its just going to be half-assed... it already feels that way anyway.
Another thing, you appear to have taken control over maintaining this list, fine. But I have to say, the 4 letter abbreviated versions of the server names IS incredibly obnoxious. But now that I think about it, this is just a talk page, if it was worth anything, it would be properly formatted and put on to its own actual entry. So you know what, whatever. I'm done with this crap. --Toxictaru 01:42, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Hmm, if I have shown you a poor attitude, then I'm sorry. But, I can't help but feel irritated at the unproductive way in which you post. There are a few points you made that I have issue with:
1) You claim that Alldo and Winterfeldt were on the original list(s).
I don't believe they were, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, I went ahead and double-checked to be sure. When I moved the list here, it was a straight copy and paste from BG to KI. Why do this? Well, the BG community is a bit of a closed gate as far as accepting newcomers. So I wanted a way to preserve the last version of the BG list without referencing BG itself. Hence the copy on KI, which I just checked. Neither Alldo nor Winterfeldt appeared on that list. I also checked senoska's out-of-date list. Not there either. So I can only conclude that either the copy-and-paste function of my computer miraculously deleted a portion containing exactly 2 specific lines or your claim is false.
2) You claim the 4 letter abbreviation is obnoxious.
That's fine. As I told the other poster, feel free to change it! I don't mind! I've already stated why I feel uniform abbreviation is good, but if people feel otherwise, then more power to them. That's what the wiki is for, to make changes that the whole community benefits from.
3) You claim the OP doesn't want to maintain and that I've taken control of the list.
That's also false for several reasons. First off, how could you know what another person wants or doesn't want? Second, I AM the OP, and I still want to and still do maintain this list when I have time/inclination. Not only that, but other people are helping to keep it up-to-date now as well. You can just click on the History tab at the top and see how many people are contributing.
And that's where my so-called attitude comes in. I just can't understand why? Why is it 20 other people can log in and edit this list to insert missing names quietly and graciously (a big Thank You to you all btw!), but you felt the need to complain about lack of maintenance? It's even worse that you had info that you could have contributed, but used it as ammo for your complaint instead of just making an entry like everybody else did? Note that I have not once doubted the veracity of your info, but rather urged you to enter that info yourself in the proper place! Instead, I had to go back and put the names in for you. It's not really a big deal to me, as I already do lots of corrections on others' entries (i.e. when people make an entry, but forget to update the tallies as well). I'm usually glad to make such corrections, but I have to admit that the original attitude you took annoyed me a good deal and came out in my replies. For that I'm sorry, as it's not my wish to make enemies, especially over something so trivial.
4) You claim the list is "half-assed" and not "properly formatted."
Well, I won't try to convince you about your own feelings. I'm sorry that you feel that way. But, compared to the first list on KI, senoska's error-ridden list, I feel this one is quite a bit cleaner. I've put in a lot of effort to give it proper headers, alphabetization, and even external links to other media (which was really quite a pain to me, as my grasp of HTML and the wiki system was very small, so getting the links to click took me quite some hours).
But again, we are back to our disagreement on the wiki concept. You felt the list was bad and your response was to complain about it. I also felt the list was bad at one point, but my response was to edit and fix it. I'll be frank. If you have time to write a complaint about 2 names missing from Hades, then you have time to also enter those 2 names into the list. Hell, you can do both if you want, but imo, there's absolutely no reason to do the former, but not the latter. It takes far less time and effort to make a couple list insertions than to write as much as you did in this Chatter section.
I hope I've explained myself thoroughly enough that we can end this discussion and leave the Chatter section to something more worthwhile.--TP 03:32, 25 February 2007 (EST)
Delete?
I didn't want to go and mark this article for deletion just yet, but I don't see the point to this page. FFXIclopedia isn't in the business of "fame" like this. Personally, I could care less who has a relic weapon - it means nothing to me for advancing my own character. This page serves no purpose other than putting some people in the spot light for obtaining a fully upgraded relic weapon. This page will meet the same fate as the Besieged Server Records article - it falls way behind and is out of date, and serves no purpose other than showing which server has the "best" record - in the end it doesn't really mean anything. Articles describing how to obtain fully upgraded relics would be more welcome than this. I say we leave the bragging to the user pages. --Ganiman 14:32, 27 February 2007 (EST)
There already is a good article about how to obtain a fully upgraded relic, I've looked it over for mistakes more than once.
This information wants to be indexed. Initially there was a list on KI, then there was 2 lists on BG, and now it has been moved to the wiki. Obviously there is spontaneous demand to create a list like this, so I don't see why it shouldn't exist. Is this the proper place for it? I dunno, but it's better than when it was on a forum where only 1 contributor was in charge of keeping it updated. But if Wiki isn't the final home, then it will probably just migrate elsewhere. --Aurikasura 14:52, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Ganiman, if you feel it should be deleted, be my guest. Hell, that would save me a lot of checking. I wouldn't have bothered putting it here or helping to update it in the first place, except like Aurik said, it seems like there's a good deal of interest. There's also a few nice tidbits of infotainment scattered here and there (Aegis damage pics, Rukenshin's LJ notes, etc.)
edit: Oh well, at the very least I got a chance to learn about wiki formatting by messing around with this list and my User page the last few days. :P --TP 20:25, 27 February 2007 (EST)
I wasn't going to mark this for deletion without first trying to understand the need/want/demand for an article such as this. I lost the debate over deleting the Besieged Server Records article, and I feel this is similar. If there is enough interest in keeping/maintaining this article, I won't push to delete it. I'm not a fan of "putting your name in lights" like this, personally I feel that blogs are the place for people to brag about their own accomplishments. This is a little different, but is still a form of bragging. Continue your work on this article, I'll leave it alone. --Ganiman 12:59, 28 February 2007 (EST)
I think this should be a subpage of category:Relic Weapons, but also should be prettied up considerably - tables at least. --Gahoo 13:44, 28 February 2007 (EST)
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Oh god ... not the tan and light blue ... ANYTHING but the tan and light blue!!!!
/em runs off screaming ....
--Mierin 14:52, 28 February 2007 (EST)
- I just cut and paste M - just cut and paste... --Gahoo 14:55, 28 February 2007 (EST)
Gahoo, I love the table and as I said on the front page, I encourage people to go ahead pretty things up on their own. I don't claim any sort of ownership or anything on this list, so please insert that if you want.
I have a few suggestions though. I don't think the pic/links are there for "verification." They are just extra info. I think it would be better to change "verification" to a simple "pic/info." Also, I noticed you seem to prefer the actual relic names vs. the weapon type. That's fine too, as long as they remain alphabetized. Listing the players in paired columns looks interesting, but there is a slight problem of some relics existing in far greater amount than others, which would lead to very lopsided pairs. So in this case, I think I like the simple list look. :x Anyway, they are just suggestions. If you feel strongly about something, don't mind me.--TP 00:16, 1 March 2007 (EST)
Btw, this already is a subpage of the Relic_Weapons page. Unless you mean it should be put back into the Talk section, which I don't really mind either. But the whole reason I moved it out in the first place was because people ended up using the Talk page to discuss the list rather than content on the Relic_Weapons page. Kind of defeated the purpose of that page imo.--TP 00:23, 1 March 2007 (EST)
- This is not a sub page of anything. Gahoo is suggesting it be moved to category:Relic Weapons/Stage 5 Relics, although I'm not sure sub pages are enabled for that name space. --Ganiman 10:02, 1 March 2007 (EST)
- Oh, I see. I didn't realize you guys meant "sub page" as specialized terminology. I thought it was meant in a general sense. Well, as I'm not sure how that works, I'll leave it to you guys if you want. Oops, forgot to sign.--TP 20:57, 1 March 2007 (EST)
- If it is indeed possible to make a sub page of a category, I am in full support and strongly recommend it. Although I wouldn't name it "Stage 5 Relics". Maybe "Completed Relics" would be better? Or if it's a sub page just "Completed" is probably fine. --Toksyuryel 21:27, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- Oh, I see. I didn't realize you guys meant "sub page" as specialized terminology. I thought it was meant in a general sense. Well, as I'm not sure how that works, I'll leave it to you guys if you want. Oops, forgot to sign.--TP 20:57, 1 March 2007 (EST)
I think the page should be deleted. There is no real way to actually verify that users have the actual fully upgraded weapons unless every single player submits pics, and that will never happen. Also who is not to say that someone will claim they have the weapon, and possibly even doctor some images to "prove" they do when they really don't. I don't think having the usernames of all the players that have it are necessary. When SE releases it's yearly report on it, that's the information that is officially confirmed. They do not release the names of players, just how many on each server. Anything else is just here say. --Wayka 05:48, 4 March 2007 (EST)
- I agree actually. This whole article is largely useless, unverified, and is as you say, just hearsay. But I would also add that I don't think anybody seriously cares enough to do something like that, and if they do, their server co-habitants tend to be pretty quick about discovering (and laughing/dramamongering about) it. Like the Vana'diel Census though, it's just entertainment in the end.--TP 10:03, 9 March 2007 (EST)
- This page has quickly risen to my #1 least liked page on the wiki. It is (1) ugly, (2) always changing, (3) not verifiable and (4) irrelevant except for bragging rights (which is undercut by #3). --Gahoo 16:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- lol, delete it then. Like I said, I don't care, and it would save me a lot of time and effort. I never wanted to be a surrogate steward in the first place; I just couldn't stand how it was mishandled by previous maintainers, despite the cross-server interest in it. But I also can't stand people just griping unproductively. You have stated nothing original or helpful. (1) matter of opinion, I actually find a plain list to be nicer looking vs. 20 long tables stacked onto eachother. Tables/graphs work best as accompaniment to text. Is (2) really a bad thing? (3) And everything else on XI or even wikipedia.org is? (4) I think you're giving people too much credit for caring here. (rolls eyes)--TP 12:36, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
- I like the page personally. Issue #1 could be address by a quick PERL script to toss everything into table markup. As for not verifiable, it seems just as verifiable as anything else in the game. You log onto that server (assuming you have a character on the server) and go find the person with the relic and /check them. --Divisortheory 6:39, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- I suppose somebody could take time to make it a lot neater, however your thoughts do tie in with what Ganiman said a couple weeks ago. Also, one could argue that its for statistical value(like Besieged Server Records for example) rather than bragging rights. I don't necessarily feel that way, though. --Charitwo 16:54, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- Actually I believe I said the Besieged Server Records article was also nothing more than bragging rights for a server - and who really cares which server has lost the AC the least (or the most). It means nothing in the end really. If we are going to track Besieged, why aren't we tracking Conquest Rankings on each server to see which nations are the best per server? If we are going to track relic upgrades, why aren't we tracking who got Bounding Boots? I mean, they are both rare/ex, right? They are just the same to me, I have neither, and I may never have neither. If a player quits, then what? Who is going to remove them from the list? This kind of data (any kind of "record" tracking) does not belong in the wiki. If there is enough demand for it, I'd prefer to create an entirely seperate place on this website (maybe like the old BG Big kills) where you can submit an image for verification and you can give a name/server. At least then it would be searchable... I don't mean to insult anyone who has gotten a fully upgraded relic weapon - that's excellent /cheer - but this kind of data falls under another category in my head --Ganiman 08:13, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
- I suppose somebody could take time to make it a lot neater, however your thoughts do tie in with what Ganiman said a couple weeks ago. Also, one could argue that its for statistical value(like Besieged Server Records for example) rather than bragging rights. I don't necessarily feel that way, though. --Charitwo 16:54, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- Forgive the misunderstanding, I meant that you said on February 28th about letting the work continue as long as their was interest to maintain it, that you weren't going to push to have it deleted. Changed my wording above to reflect that. But now, TP, the maintainer, said the other day that he doesn't care about the article anymore, that it's become a chore to maintain. Now the maintainer doesn't care if it's deleted, you have all the more room for argument to get rid of it. --Charitwo 12:30, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
- It's not that I didn't care about the article or keeping it well-maintained. It's that I didn't care to deal with pointless whining for something that wasn't my project to begin with. And when that whining started coming from a site admin, that was the last straw for me.
- As far as deletion goes, whether the maintainer(s) cares about the article is irrelevant in comparison to user demand/interest. Anyway, it's nice to see there's a home for it that everybody (I think) is at least ok with.--TP 13:44, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
- Personally, I would be really disappointed if this page was deleted. Just because the original author of the page doesn't want to work on it anymore, doesn't mean others aren't interested in maintaining it. I've done a few updates to it myself, adding entries and pics for existing entries of people on my server. I can certainly see how some think that all this is is a way for people to brag about who has relic weapons or what server has the most or whatever, but I think that's just a negative way to look at it. I've always seen this wiki as a reference tool (and that's what it is, isn't it?), and this page is a very valuable reference when it comes to completed relic weapons. Some people may not care about that, but a great many people (myself included) do. Ganiman made a comparison saying "If we are going to track relic upgrades, why aren't we tracking who got Bounding Boots? I mean, they are both rare/ex, right?" Honestly, that's not very fair. Anyone can get Bounding Boots with a little bit of time, effort, and luck. A fully upgraded relic weapon is months or even years of work to get, and has only been accomplished by an infintesimally small fraction of the playerbase. I'm not saying that this page should be kept simply in recognition of that, I'm just saying that this is a reason that people want to look at a page like this. A wiki like this is the best place to have a project like this, in my opinion. Why make a whole other website for it when it can just as easily be kept where it is? --Kyrial 15:22, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Thanks Divisor, for sticking this on your user page and finding a balance to this conflict between user demand and bureaucratic nonsense.--TP 22:36, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
I think I found someone else (not listed on your table) that has a Mandau, but I can't remember his name >.<;; I'll see if I can find him in Whitegate find out his name and whether or not he's listed--KyteStrike 11:53, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
Iksuki on Siren is confirmed to have the Kikoku--KyteStrike 16:17, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
Table Layout
I've taken the incentive to "pretty" the page abit since it is updated fairly frequently and in my own opinion is important as a wiki entry. The basis on my opinion is that these items take alot of work and effort from an individual whether it be attending and working with a dynamis linkshell, getting support from friends and fellow players, or... killing spiders for two years straight. I'd like to think of it as an award for a player's efforts.
On a different note, I don't claim to be perfect so don't take offensive if I mix up a name or leave one off the list. I'm trying my best to catch everything, so edit as you want!
My suggestion would be to add tables adjacent to the player lists which list out the number each server has and a total for the weapon itself. Having the individual tables would help keep the total number at the top more accurate in my opinion. Ariannas 13:07, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Although I'm not a fan of table after table after table, I have to admit you've made a commendable effort. However, I still disagree about the "Verification" aspect. As far as I was concerned, the pictures and external links were only for info/fun, not to prove so-and-so actually had a relic. Verification is a futile effort with regards to this list anyway and the only people who cared about it were people that thought this list was just for bragging rights.
I had also stuck some links/pics at the top of sub-headings, rather than with a specific person, because I felt the content was pertinent and/or helpful in a broader sense that warranted a highlight of sorts. It looks like those links/pics have since been submerged back into this "Verification" column.--TP 13:37, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
I thought about putting this into a prettier table layout with rowspans and colspans, etc so that everything was in one giant table. I fear, however, that doing this would make it harder for novice users to edit the pages and they would be much easier to mess up. --Divisortheory 14:30, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
Question about the tables up top
Do the tables up top ("Relics by Server" and "Relics by Type") count relics that belonged to people who quit or were banned? I just edited those tables (they were quite out of date compared to the rest of the page), but I didn't count the ones that were banned or quit; if they should be counted, I can go back and add those in easily. --Kyrie 18:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
